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HomeMy WebLinkAboutApproved Minutes - 2008-10-27`,� pE �AKE.pSwECO City of L a1We Oswe gai Plain ping Com mission Minutes' ov Oc 1lober 27, 2001 P OREW� 1. CAI11J TO ORDER Chain Julia Glisson called the Manning Clommi:ision rneetinll of MandaN, Octabear 27. 20(18 to ordeir at 6:(1`-1 p,m, in the Council Chlambears of C:it)l Hall, at 380 "A" Avenue Laken C swago, Oregon. IL RC 111-1 CA LL Meamber:i preseanl were Chair Jlulia Glisson, Vliaea ChI it Philip Stewart and Commissioners A c riianna Brockman, MarM C ]scan and Scot SieiBaL Alison Weabsitar was excusead. Staff preseanl were Eleannis Egnen, Long Range Planning Manager; H_ van Boone, Deputy Cit)j A ti off, ey and Iris Tneinein, A dmin:i stnal ive Supparl . III. CITUHN COMMENT ® Diana Boom, 557 EHergreen Road, explauinead Hvengreen Neighbonhlood reasideanits wanted the City to address the problem of zero lot linea dwelling:i on 25-fbot wide :lots. Shei said )hay wtirea "laul of syr.la" with adjaciem largear homers on wideir lals in thea R-7.1 zones. She saic thea Hveirgreien Neillhbonhlood Association had racientl}I nogaliatad a "comprcamisea" with thle develcapear afl a project on thea bloak between A Avenuei and Hvcargrcen, but they still wanted thea ciode changed to disallow aeno lot linea development in a reisideinlial neighborhood. Llurinll the qua:ilioning period Commissionar Brockman redateac that other jurisdialions required owners of substandard size lats to aggregate them. For eaxample, the owner of threei 25' x l(10' contiguous lots was allowed to build ones homer on thea aggregal ed partial, and not thileea homes. Carolyne Jones, 2818 Poplar Way, wanted to know if the minuteas of eacah meealinig could ba made available thea following week) aa she caou:ld pneparea her arguments fdr the neat melding. Staff advis ad that the audio reacord was available on thea Cit)I weatsitea within a few days of eaaach meeting and th ea cycle of drafting and staff) reaview cafl m inutes typically took longer Than a week. 1VI. MINUTE S Clommissionen Brockman maaved to approve thea Minule:a of August_ 11.,__2.008. Clomm issionen Olson seconded thea motican and ail p a ssaed 5:0. ® Cornmiss:ioner Hroakrrlan molded to approve the Minutes of August 25, X1008. dicta Chair Sleawarl seconded the motitin and it passed 4:0. Comm;issionear Siegel abstained. City cif Lake Oswaegca Planinin€l Coma ission Minules cafIOcIobEan 21,:cias Pages 1 of S V. PUBLIC HEA RING Community Dlew 1 oamenit C cede Amc nd me nts A request fromi the City of hake Oswaga for amendments to the Community Development Clado (CDC) and an amendment to lha Comprehensive Plan. The following twa of the proposed ardinances Had been cionlinued from September 22, 2048. Ordinance 2523, LU 0841053, CUC — New Inifill Floliciies, Adds policies in support of averlay zonie:i for neighborhood plans anc residential design review. Ordinance 2524, I1U (18-005.3, CUC -- 1nifill Amc nd m eints. Amends portions of thle Clamimiunity Dlevelapmer.il Code, Chapter 3% for the purpose of enhancing thle compatibil:iq of :inf 11 development anc clariificalioni. Aropomd updates pertain to the. fallowing topics: lot coverage, maximum floor areia, structuwa designi setback planes, yard setbacks, sloped 1 al s, residential infill design review, vaiii ancas, non=cionforming uses, duplexes and attached dwellir.igs, flag lots, and serial partitions. Chair Clisson opened &e publ:ia hearing and explairied the praceduwes and time limits for testimony. She asked the Comrmssioniers to report any bias or conflict of :intaresl. Nona wera declared. When ;iha invited public testimony, no one came f6miajid to testify. ClommissionerrBlrockman mo -tied to continue LU 0.8-0033 to January 26, 2(109 and aiccapl airy tastimony people. wanted to provide at the curnenit hearing. Commissioner ,Olson seccnid e d the m otion and it pass( d 9:0. WORK SESSION — INFILL AMEA DIMEWTS Infill Task Florce mem bears joined Ni Comm:i ssi oners at the table for the work session. Mai; Hgnar recalled the Infi:l_I Task Flarcia Had ciansideriad what types oft standards cauld be ac apted at the neighborhlooc level; house s:i2a the relalionship of new blouses to existing proper); what techriicaI changers woulc make the Cade easier; and blow f.laxibil:iq could be built into it. He shlowed examples of infill development that had been bur ]t sinice thea first infill code was implemar.ited. Mi. Hgnat reported 1ha Infill Task Force had found that ciarnipatibi'lity was riot just a function of house size. May had examined houses built un dat the infill ordinanca and found some unattracilive houses that conformed to infill s'2e 'limits. Mast warn small enough that if the allowable size were reduced by 10% they wciul d still bei all armed; Thlat lac the Infrla Task F orce 1 o be] i eve that desi gn standards wou'l d help. They suggested r.iew Comprehensive Phan policies thlat neighbothoad plans could use la design overlay districts to make inifrl'I devellopmeinl rr. are ciorr.patibla;. and that the City would eniact a design review process fear view residential development. Staff) reported the Infill Mask Flarca was not unanimously in favor of recommending a design review process and the vote to riecamm end ana was 1:3. Mr. Hgnar rapor ad that the Evergreein N e:i ghborhload A ss uciation already had a design ovailay, and otf. at neighborhoods were th:'nking about orae. He said lhle Infill Task Force had decided riot to fasblion or recommend blow the designs review process would world until the City Council agreed to the cionciept, but they Clityl of Llaka Oswega Plu n r g C amen ission Mi'nuteis of Oclobeir'21,1aas PaEle 2 cif 19 had di.aaussaed what thresholds might trigger the requirement for design reavieiw. Stalff presebtead sarnie of tLase ideas for thresholds. ® Commissioner Siegel said A was helpful to learn thal hause size wa.i nal neaces.aariily 1ho issue; but ha wanted to kncaw whaal problems the Infill Task Flarcaea was trying) to address. He abserved that diffearenl peoplla had differeanl :ideas aiboul what was compatible and aWactive, Mr. Egn€ar said That was why it wau]d not bei eaasy to salves thea "thrleshald" issue iflthe Cit}{ adopted thea conceipl. Commissioner Elroakinan said two of thea piioblems related to privacy and scala. She said 1 hes scam im iuni ty shlould be involved in 1 he diwussiion of appnopniatea infill: Infill Task Aurae membear Hmoglene Waggoners said thea majoriiq oft Task Foncea membears and many neighborhlaod mpreasentativesa supportead the recommeincattion to eistablisrl a design review ciommission to reivieiw reis:ideinlial infill arae remodeling priojeaats. She said re.aident.a found thane wane still problems rcilaated Io compailibility, sine and placeamiant ilhatt affeciled ricightorHoods. She said they reaciommended tHc City publish and offear deisign guidelineas and examples of compatible designs Ica peicaple pneparing.to build on remodel]. 9hc submitted d a design handbook for Napa, Califon. ia. Stalff advised lhlat a neiw code section would be necessary ifs as new r aview procciss and a new review commission were eistablishad, and a naw process waulc reaquirei sailing threshlcalds 10 triggein deisign review. They iieported shat the I3evelopmenl Wview Cammissiion (DTXI; alricgdN hlad a Meavy cia.aeload. ThaN cauilioned that thiashlol& :in existing raview seicEons and the naw station shlould not be allowed to ovarilap. They ® advised thea new woiik could be done by a hleaengs offician. An Infill Tatsk Forice miamber suggtistead a ciommisision madei up entirely of design professionals. Commissioner Biookman necialled that Multtamiah Count)] utilized a we'll -haired staff)peirson to review deve:lopmeinl applliciations and it worked wcil] thearea. Shle said most aplpliciatians werie decided in a week and the decision was appealable. Jim Bolland epplaineid the probleimi with the curnent 14wiidantial Infill Davelopmenl (RIII; review proceass was that :staff madea the decision. He f�varcd e,,ublishing an independent aommiission. tie said in Palo Allo, California ilhea "triggear" to deasignl raviiew was to pioposea a sirucature blighter ishan one story. Hes ackhowledged tHat soma.poople were, cioncaernead thle new prod asst would make davelopmenil more diffrcu 1 and expensive. E ut he ,itiesised the curreint. standards were not working and thea Infi]1 Mask Florae wantec a "win/wi.n" piiacess. He reported thlat a particular buillden in Finil Addition/Forest Hilhi Neighborhaad Association (PIAN) always built the same style, inaompafble, hause. C ne Task Force member related that if he had been at 1 ha Infill Task Force m ieeti r. g whean the vote on the new ieview processi was conduated hes would hlave vated againsl it beaausea He questionead what problem was 1a be solved. He said single-farnaily houses desiign "infraacticansi" hlappaned on balh :large and small structurfas. Hes ,iaid hes did not favor a Woceass that put the reaview requireamiant on only some appliciartls beciausea he felt if one plearson's Home Had to be eixamined all hlomes sHould be examined. Anothler Infill Task ® Force miember Meld thal some, small, poorly designed existir..g homes shlould not be used to measure the clam ipat1b:i 1 ity of thea naw Home neaaaby. He also obsenied that sam ie Clit)I of 166 Oswego Alarriing Commis sign. M inutus of Octat er 27, 20(18 Pagle 3 cif 9 neighbonHoods were so big and had so many subdiv:isions built yin difftireirt eiras that thely would need a multitude oflouerlay zones. He ciautioned that the Cliq Had only 120 da) s to make a developmanl decision. He said 111a ti m is it look f r it he rasider. tial deisi gn review process might be loci long la get a t ui 1 ding parmii t lo improve an axii stii ng home. Staff aonfirmed the now standaads would apply to duplexes. THey alarif ed that the DIRCI did not aurrar tly Haas applioat:i on s for a duplex or an acceis: city dwell i n g. A.r, In fi 11 Ta, k Blame- membeir anlicipated the new design reiview process would result in more arcihitealwally intencisting homiei, a, well as compatible Homes. SHe lhought getting those results would be %orthl thea additional lime it took for review. She alarificid that the small, poor] y designed w i sti r. €I Howe naxl door was r. of th ei k r d of "compati bi lit) " the Ir fi ll Taskl Florca had ta1_keid about. Commi,s_icineir Brockman commenteid that a :Icil of infill was attiaalime, tut sHe Had remirily seen a dusignl tHal offeireid the occupants r.o privacyl. She , uggasl eid ahangeis i r �i nfi 1 l star. daads might I Iraveir. t a developer from i making nfstakas :Dikes that. Commissioner Sieigel asked staff to bring thei Planning Commission photographls of examplas of %Hat peoples thougHt was "attraotime" or "unauractiva." Commissionein Brookman relaled she hoc suggested Lake Osweigo Neighborhood Acticin Coalilion (LCINAC) mamber, bring piatuies to thle heiaaing Staff rapori eid that altHougH theirei Had been no con, eir. su, to recommeind a now. dosigq reviaw pnocas s, the Infill Ta, kl Farcies Had neachled con: en sus - about mcis t of 1 he otHer recommen dation, . THey explai r. ed the proposed , tandard, a ddrassed the issue of House size through :lot uovarage and f cion area :limitation iievi,ions. THey said thea remised code. wou:l d i mprova code provi s ions thw shrunk all 1 owabl a :I co coverages a, Haight i norea, ed by "smoothing out" a sudden, larges decrease in allowable aciveiragei between 22 and a?I ftiet in heigHt. Them explaineid that would improve how tha aodei afftictud housels or sloped lots. Thci) sai c 1 hei proposed iievis ions similarly smootHed out thea scaled re:I al ion ship of lot ,iza to hciuse sizes ir a tmici-Ilarl formula. The caleulalior. ofl I :loor Areia Rlatici (FIARI) a:llawed tho first _`1,(1(10 sq. fi. cif the lol to have 3,000 sq. ft. of floor area, and then multiplied the reimaiming lot areE- by .2 FAR to find thea remaining sq. ft. of allowable floor area. For eixarr.ple, IN al:IcwabIc floor area on a 10,000 ,iq. ft. lcil would be _1,(100 sq. fl., Illus 1,000 sq. fi. (.a BAR x 5,000 sq. fl. of lot) or 4;00(1 sq. ft. Howeivein, ,sine current ,landards exciludad garage awa from floor area, which allowed ownetis to build very Iangei garageis and slil] meel allawabla AARI, the Infill Taskl Rome rewommended uhlanging How the garage affeul ed FAR. Thei formula to calculate allowable floor area would tHen be the total of 3,000 sq. ft., plus '.2 FAR x the iiemaining lot area, plus the Manage area. Commissioner Siagel asked if the FARI limit was r.eices,ar)l when theira were so miany olheui standards to relate house sizes to its lot. Mr. Bolland stresseid that iiI was neceissar)i bacau,e tharei weirs so many way1, to gel Class 1 varianceis and otheir emceptions to heiight arse satbackE, wHich made a House uonsideirably :Iaigeui. Canis i, sioneri Siegel opined that th ei code was a struatw a dis asReri and the propcis ed revis i ons would makes i 1 elven morei uompliaated. Mi. Hgnar alariifieid the new formula, would not make new infill an3j smaller, beiaausei they weina fixie, fbri a few "gl:ilcifles" it tha current code, ir.aluding one that ga-viei a builder bcinus lot coveragei for a deitauhad garages. Hei reported that in autualiq peici Il e � ere buill di r g both an attached and a deita chled gaiage on lots it PAN. Helnue, onei City of Ude Oswego Alannii ng Commis si on Mine teas of Ocittok er 217, 20011 Pagel 4 of 9 recommended "fix" was to only allow bonus lot comenaga ifl only one garage was built, and it was detaahad. Mr. Hgrnar recalled that the Infill Task Nonce Had talked a lot about How 10 reduae House sizes, but ended up necammiending design remiew. Some Infill "Bask Florce Members incicated they felt that ifllhle City Council did not acaeplt the design naviiew conaept tray needed to do more world on FIA RI limitatiam. Mr. Bolland agreed, and recalllad tHal samie members thought that c eis:ign remiew would Help get rid of lrie RID process. Mn. Egnar reporteid tha Infill Taskl Florce had noticed that cornen lot setbaciks were shallower than front setbaakls. So thaN recommended a new corner 11 al plane standard that was , imilar I 1he auniant front yard plane. He said the intant oft both standards was to plush) the bulk) oft the structure back from the street. Ilha pllane aould bei piemced within spaci.fied ranges by certain elements, such) as dormiersi. Commissi ineir Siglal asked staff to bring exarriplas to thle Hearing for the Commissioners to exarnina. Mv. Egnelr reported that the Infill "Bask Florca also recommianc eid a sides yard setbaakl planes. 11 was intwidad to reduce bulk at lha property lines the caualopment shared with neighbors. Hes said the Infill Taskl Hcirce reccmmiended allowing landsaapling as a way to break up large sidawalls, and allowing a wrapl-around parch ar balcony to break up the wails on corner .lots. Mir. Bolland raaalllad the Infill Task Harce fell it was too aasN to use the Class 1 mar7ance process and they wantac to put miora limits on it. Theiy recamimiended not allowing a less than fine -foot side yard viarianca in tha Class 1 pracess. The applicant would have to usei ® tHa Class 2 process where a uarianaa was Harden to get. Staff and the Commissionaris disciussed how the infill ahanges would apply to sloped lots. Mei. Egnar explained 11.1a uphill end of a hawse in FAN would still be llimitad to 22 fl iat in Heighl, but the down slople and could rime an additianal four feet to adjust fbn the typical fbur-fool drip on a sligrtly sloped FLAN lot. The Commissiianers recalled a Casa wHere lha builder had sunk a house furttieui into an. excamalion holes in ardor to kleap tri entira struiclura under as feel becausa :ifl it wave any highar the allowable lot coverage would shrink. Mt. Egnlar said trere was a trend for increased lot comeriaga cues to a desire fOr a m o aster bedroom on the ground f, oor. Mr. Hgnan said the racommanded change anly applied in BAN, but eventually othar neighbo ihaods with small, slightly slopad lots mighl wanil to adapil it. Mr. Egner explained the ahangas to regulailions tHall applied to steeiply sloped lots. Ha said they ware inilandad to allow noorim fori a master bedroom on the miain f acn, which was what an aging papulation faworeid. Thera was a Height -lo -slope scale that allowed more heigHt on staepler slopes, and fiar eueryl fbot of height ov�eili 35 feat, ana more foal of salbackl was required. Mr. Bgnaii axplained blow the front setback plana would be measured whan the lot sloped downhill from ilhei sheet. The Clommissioners examined a Ilcuse in Mauntalini Park and oamideried how the new standards would apply to lot: that slapad uphill and downhill frami the streeil. Staff advised tha front sentackl plane ; landarids helped control the relationship to tr a strieat, and athero diimiensianal standards controlled the bulk. They acmised thal the zoning standards in Mountain Bark had been City of L all a Oswego Plannir El Commission Mint Ies oflOatobar'I7, 3a08 Hagei .I of 9 usitabl is held and set in that duveil opment's . Planneid Deve:l opmeinl (FID) appnoval, and thea now :infill regull anion! would not ahange t1 eros. InfiI II Tmkl Flarcae marc bears anticipated thea new standards would app) to alhen situciply ssloped areas ir.i the City whore 193(isi and i. 1960s viritagu housusi would bei replaced ir.i thea future. Thea Infill) Task Forae reiaommended eliminating Ress:i duns i a] Infill Duveil oprr. eir.it (RID) revi eaw for lot coverages, fl acar area and height so an appli sant had to usie the variancea plrocesisa to ahangei them. They acid :i1 was loo easy to change lheim usiing RID. They said thea RID pracims caaulld continue to be used to consider ahan€leis in other requirements, and thea Clla;is 1 variance plrocuss could continues to be uaead to review, minor remodeling ahangeas and consectirg survey eaniors, but th(a) definiteaiy did nat want the C'Iasss 1 plrocesisa wiead to aplplrovea especially narrow sides yards. Some anlic:ipaled that ifltl.ea City adopted thea residential design review, procaeiss, RID might be ell i minated entirely. Tha Infill Task Fonae proposed to allow rebuilding of a nor.iaor.ifkirming structure within the sannae enve'lopa if it were destrayed by natursall causes ar'demolished. Tllhey eApllainead the) be'l i eved tI a eaxi sti n€l standard that set a thresHol d of 50% reel aceam eirit value had inhibiled reamodeling activity and resulted in unnecaessary demolition oflstnicturies. The Infill Iask Force proposed to apply infill 5 tmdards to duplexes. Because they found duplex garages typically took) up more than the current 'limit of 50% off the length aft a house frant alevalioni, they recaommended allowing dupllax gajaiges 10 take up as mucah as 60% cafllhe franl facade, and even more oft it if certain designs features were added. Mr. Egner agreed to rusearal;l how this standard would aaplplly to a €garage on a ccamar lot. The Infill) Task Florce raecaomrrended f a8 lot standards to orient hauses so they related bet) er to aachl othler and to the acaae.as lane. Thley also reaommended strong_ arc street connecalivity standards. Commissicaner Broakman thanked the Infill 'Elask Force for their wonkl. Shea obsurvad that moat infill houses were of good design, and only a flaw were not. rhea was especially concum ad about houses that featured espleciiallly long walls and ereaitad privacy issues. When Clomm i ssionen Siegel asked if l setbacks m ighlt bei avaraaged1 a improve house-to- house relationships, Mi. Bgnear ant:iaiplatead it would be hard to match multiple aide yards. An Infill Task Porae member expllair.sed the proposed regulations offered rr. arc flexibillity to m ave a house on its lot to save trees without a variaance pinacaess. Mr. Egner cla�iifred fbn Cammissicinear Sieagel that Thea Task Foncehad nal discussed sollar amass. Chain Clissons thanked the group for their --hard work) and for providing aNiatnplles all developmenl that had oacurrad sirsce the ariiginal irsfrlll standard, waare aadaptead. Mr. Egnen aNaplained a handout he had distr:butead that diffenentiated belwuar.s a house than was accidFantally and intentionally deastra)ad was languages suggeasibud by an Infilll Task Force subcommittees That mel recently and the City Attorney had not yet reaviewead it. A TllaA Florce rr. ember recaal lead thea Tllask Florce had added a prov:i sion to addr ess structuress an the IJandmark Dusignal ions List. Clity of Lake Oswego Planr ing Commission Mir u tf s of Oatat er 27, 2MI Page E of l 9 Mr. Boone observed that the graup wanted to preserve the ability) to rebuild a nioniconifbrrriirn8 house, but ilhey had.also expressed disfavor of some houses such as one ® with especially long wCIs - thatl they might not want iiebuilt. Clommrissionen Brockman explained That people who bought prcape rty ne x1 it a suah a house kdewa what they were buying, but people laving in. existing homes could be surgriised by what. Eloil built next door to therm. Mil. Holland said the clurieanl code was confusing beaaausea it was riot clear if thea 50% replacaement value lhreashold meant assessed can market value. He said the Task Farcae wantead an owner to baablea to reamodal even if a pail of the house weal nioniconifbrmunig. He necaalaeac that FAN had,tfled to fund a way to pneveanl cnealioni of flaEl lots by alllawiing paraels to be d. ivided :into regular lots, but thea problem was each lot ccauld not meet minimum silreet width. T .e neacaornmended ahara8es would allow mono fleixibilit)I to make that frontafle a little narrawaen. Commissicanear Brockman commear.rted that was why people designed really long houses on .narrow lots. Mr. Egnen nelatead teat thea Infill 'bask. Ponce subaommitilee had abservied that in the Cit)I oft Palo Allto driveways along the side setbaak to ilhea back of the :lot searvead to separale houseas, and that might work we'll on deaeap; skinny 11als. Chair C lissom neopenead the public heaariinig and inviteid public comments, DO ana Boom, 557 EvcrgreEan Road, caariified the devealoprranit she had referred 10 during tra Publil a Commelrat period had been allowed by RIM reaview and she did riot think that deaveiopen should have beear.r allowed to use the RITZ prloceass to get araund zoning reagul ati cans. ® Carolvn Krebs, 16925 DEannfay Court, stressed that the Laka Forest Naighbarhood did not support the proposed ahainges regarding fail lots and zero llal Eine parlitions and They had told tie Infill 'bask Forcea they did riot want to be fbrcaed tca corir.ect streets ilhraugh 1he natural areas in their neiighbonhood. They did not want thea cut through tnaffia and noise that would result from .franc caonneat:ions, and they believed the arena was acaaessitle enioudh now. Sha alar'afied they could suppar allowing accesses that allowed owners to develop their lots, buil riot thiiough streets through f. ag lots and true groves that caonnacated streets 'like Parkear and Kimble. When she was asked have they felt abaut neaquirirvEl all houses along a f. aEl lot to be or enilead toward a shared, cfanilral lana; Ms. Kilebs indicaated they mighl agreie to thlat els long as 111a access was not exteanded all the way through the back of 1he pnoparty. Shea iieferned to the propos ad provisicin to be applied to FDI;i of 1.7.`1 acaneis and wonried that waulld impose connectivityilhat wauld haveila 8a thrlough areas oft natural resounceas. She askled if the ne ighbarhood plan acau:ld ba used to "`opt aut" of the requiremar.it; whish she said solved a connectivity problem that Lake Fairest did not have. Commissianar Siagal observread 11de Farest hac aspeacaiallly long blocks anc asked iflthey wanted to see connecting peadesilrian ways to maks the walk bealwaeini streets shaver. Ms. Krebs,.ir.rdicailed there was good peaceastriian canraeaativ:ityl allready and she worriiid more conniecilinig pathways waullc impaat 1he nralural rasouictsw Commissioneii Siagal askead. why new development should riot be allowed to build new driveways That oonnectead Kimble and Parkar streeils. He naaallled the aurrenit code required a new subdivisior.i la plan an access every 600-80(I feiet. Ms. Kileb:a asked why neight anhood iiesidents shauld 9 riot have a voice inr that. She said they alneadN had plenty cif lconriectivity. C ity of Uak a Clswciglo Plarnn iris C amm issiori M;inutcis of 0citobar a i, 2008 Pager 7 of 9 Ms. Kilebs stressed stile had atuindeid many Infill Tadd Horace meetings to aonvay what her neighboncaod wanled and thea riecaommended soda was cixactly what they did not want. When Commissioneir Sicip] asked why thlci fllag lot cionnealivity provisions were prcposed, staff reicallcid they wcirei initcindcid to addreiss thea reilationsHip of a flag lot with the other lol and create a dcis:inat le patilarri tHat cin€leindaned a senses oft community. Tlhley recalled in Task Horace di scaussi ons the group had not cinvi s:i oned l he ]ane system as a thdoughway, but a privates driveway that eaxtended to meat a street. Ms. Kreabs questioried haw drivers could be provonuid fiom using such a driveway as a shcartcaut. SHe said it would destroy her n aigHbcrhood Commissicanear Clscan agraod it would ke lempt:ing to uses it when the block: were so longi. Commissionan Siegel reacaallad fire code provisions that reaquirod a driveway tHat was mics than ISO faet long to faatura a lumarcaund. Mn. Egrier said if the devaloper could damoristrate thea driveway was suppcased to eventually go through the firs departrr. ant miigHthot require a.1urnarcaund. Ms, Kilebs said thea naighboncaod p11 annad to meat tca fashican d air carom antra on the infi 11 recommor.idations. She said lhay were focaused on imiplemeantir.ig tHeir naightcrhood plan and eixplcring what a design oven:lay would help tHem do in tHein neighborhood. Mn. Egner wasoned that Laken Foncast Had not been fully davelopeid yet beacaause. parts of it did riot yal Have accass to sower service and because of thea slowing eacionomy. He said because of tHal thay might have time to develop an overlay. C arci Pyne Jones, 2818 F oplar Wlati, said she was speaking for hearsealf and on beHalf of the Glanmorrie Ne:ighboiHood Asscaaiation. Shea indicated stile was conccrnead that the City's natural nescauraa designation llimited wHat sHe and 2I0 other prcaparty ownens in her ne:i ghborhlocad aoul d do with their large lots. She said she had eanough land lea partition it into two lots, but the Clity was going to makes her property uri-buildable. She said shci was not sures haw she would be allowed to rebuild her house cr redevelop Her property. Shle wanted the City to calarify that. The Commissiicaners askad staff lto meet w:ilh Ms. Jones to bettor understand her questions and Help calar.ify what stile eculd do on her property. She said rhea wcauld bring the report the natural rosouncas coordiniator clad given her, after a site visit, that 11 alk ed about regul atii c ns thait prc t actead thea stream con idoii and How nonaonfhrrr,ing struictures would ba addresscad.. Sha said :il was very confusing. Staffl advised that tha Infi1:1 Task Fcrcaa rnecaommended allowing an owner to rat uiId in tf.a same footprint if a nonconforming houses were destroyed, but ii he current code raquirad flim/her to reabuild a house that conformed tea current regulations. Ms. Jones said she eurrcanllly Had a smal l er blouses than Hen nes ghbons enjoyed and stile w oul d want to be a] lowead to bui l d a House as large as fficirs. She stressad that stream cicamidor property owners should Have the same rights as lakofrcanil property awnens. Commssicanesr Bnoakman moped to continue LIU 4FI-0053 to Jlanuary.�l6, 20(151 and aaaept written test:imcany. Commissioner Olson seconded tiro motion and it passed 5,0.� C it) of Hakca Oswegca Planning C comm fission Minutes. of Oci ober 27, xias Page 8 cif 9 4 VII. OTE ER BUSINI ]SS — PILANN INIG CC MMISSION ® None. VIII. OTHER BUSINI ]SS — CUMMISSION FOR CIIT]ZEN INVCIJMBMENT Palisades Nl jkhborhood Hans The Commissioneirs and staff re(ialkid thea City Council's discussian of Thea Aal;isadtis NeighbonHood Alan. Theay recalled thle Council wanted to einswe that congregates (ime fk ;litieis ciould be llociated ir the neaighlborhood and they ciould be a friamially viable sizei. T .oy did not favor thea plan's .6 FART neistnlcition, whieah they observed was less than what Avarn are had Icien al]owed. However, thley asked stalffIto fasHican a policy tHal ahlawed thle neighborhood to have deisign standards to cr.isune lhlea faciiliilies refici ated neiighbarhood characiler. Some Clommissionev thaught thea Council geir.iemallly Mvoreid applying roquiremtints fbr sucH fhciil:ilies as citywide standards: They wondered where There would be parcaeils :largea.enough for thea faciiliilies. Staff rclattid thal lheire was a trend for cihurcihus to takes advantage of laws that allowed them to locates outside of urban grawth baundaries and still their City property. THese mighlt ofltir appropriaw sized parcels f✓ m congregates (iaje foci :lities Commissioner Bvocikman recalled tHti neiighlbcirHood had been alloweid to g a through thti ! planning prociess with no City Councill dinecilion about neighborhood planning and 1LIea iissuea of "aging in placea. She rticial:lead thle Council) Had expresscid cionciern about the cost of neigHborhlood pllannir.gl. Shle save a oed ilo Help thea next Council undersatand tHti funcit:ion ® and role ofl neighborhood Fllann_ing so thtay would not have to dtabate w lat ilhat was. CommiiSsiontar C]'son said thea Councii] should be more, aware afI How thea I'llanning Commiissilon vias working wilh neaighborhoodsa and that ilhery had been en(iciuragirigl them to codify more po:liciies. Slag recalled thea Clcaunuil had worriiead aboul the :leagal consaeaquear.iciesa ofladopling the Hal:isades plan to limil the facii:lilies to .El FAR and making facilities likta Avamaare nonconforming uses. : -1 dill. A DIJ CIURNIMFINT Theirc Icing no further business befove thea I'llanning Commission, Chain Gl;issaan adj aura ed 1 he meeting at SIKKI p.m. Respectfully submitilod, Iris Tneintin A dministrall i ve Supparn Cit) oflLaake Osweago fl] aming Corrimiss'can Minutes oflOut&or 27, 20(18 Page 9 ofl9